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	<title>Comments on: Dear Roleplayers: Please Get Over Yourselves.</title>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://kallistipress.com/2007-03-07/dear-roleplayers-please-get-over-yourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-51087</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 01:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never experienced this.  I&#039;m also not &#039;geeky&#039; enough to be on many RP lists/forums/whatever.  I guess if the folks I hang and game with (my &#039;gamer friends&#039;, which is most of my friends, admittedly) started obsessing over how others perceive them -- that is, how &#039;geeky&#039; others thought they were for gaming -- I guess it would get old pretty quick.  But heck, every time I have to even mention RPGing in passing to people who don&#039;t game, it&#039;s awkward, but only because it&#039;s hard to explain to someone who doesn&#039;t do it. Not that I&#039;m concerned too much with how they&#039;ll think of me.  (If the fact that I&#039;m an RPGer changes their mind about me, they weren&#039;t worth the breath to speak to them anyway, IMNSHO.)  

But I think you&#039;re right that most folks just don&#039;t care...UNLESS it somehow affects THEM.  Personally.  As in, &quot;oh, Bob does this gaming-thing on Sunday afternoons....THAT&#039;S why he is never available for playing ball.  Damn, and I thought it was something *important*, like going to church...&quot;  Then they feel devalued or dissed.  But they don&#039;t &#039;get it:&#039;  Bob might game &#039;religiously,&#039; but John might blow off a game to play ball once in a while.  We all value gaming at different levels.  And as long as it doesn;t become an addiction, that&#039;s ok.  Or it should be, at least to the RPGers themselves.  Screw what others think.  :-)

Uh, sorry this kinda rambled.  I guess I don&#039;t want to jump right on and completely agree, but I do see your point.  However, some folks are just more concerned with how other view them, and they are just a person who has to make a choice: game like you wanna game &amp; to hell with how the non-gamers see you, or quit/become a casual gamer and deal. 

(BTW, I think it&#039;s a sense of PRIDE: &quot;I&#039;m geekier than thou.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never experienced this.  I&#8217;m also not &#8216;geeky&#8217; enough to be on many RP lists/forums/whatever.  I guess if the folks I hang and game with (my &#8216;gamer friends&#8217;, which is most of my friends, admittedly) started obsessing over how others perceive them &#8212; that is, how &#8216;geeky&#8217; others thought they were for gaming &#8212; I guess it would get old pretty quick.  But heck, every time I have to even mention RPGing in passing to people who don&#8217;t game, it&#8217;s awkward, but only because it&#8217;s hard to explain to someone who doesn&#8217;t do it. Not that I&#8217;m concerned too much with how they&#8217;ll think of me.  (If the fact that I&#8217;m an RPGer changes their mind about me, they weren&#8217;t worth the breath to speak to them anyway, IMNSHO.)  </p>
<p>But I think you&#8217;re right that most folks just don&#8217;t care&#8230;UNLESS it somehow affects THEM.  Personally.  As in, &#8220;oh, Bob does this gaming-thing on Sunday afternoons&#8230;.THAT&#8217;S why he is never available for playing ball.  Damn, and I thought it was something *important*, like going to church&#8230;&#8221;  Then they feel devalued or dissed.  But they don&#8217;t &#8216;get it:&#8217;  Bob might game &#8216;religiously,&#8217; but John might blow off a game to play ball once in a while.  We all value gaming at different levels.  And as long as it doesn;t become an addiction, that&#8217;s ok.  Or it should be, at least to the RPGers themselves.  Screw what others think.  <img src='http://kallistipress.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Uh, sorry this kinda rambled.  I guess I don&#8217;t want to jump right on and completely agree, but I do see your point.  However, some folks are just more concerned with how other view them, and they are just a person who has to make a choice: game like you wanna game &amp; to hell with how the non-gamers see you, or quit/become a casual gamer and deal. </p>
<p>(BTW, I think it&#8217;s a sense of PRIDE: &#8220;I&#8217;m geekier than thou.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Zero</title>
		<link>http://kallistipress.com/2007-03-07/dear-roleplayers-please-get-over-yourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-40533</link>
		<dc:creator>Zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike a previous poster *ahem* I actually read the post, and as a person developing a system for publishing, I applaud you for this. Also, you get a thumbs up on StumbleUpon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike a previous poster *ahem* I actually read the post, and as a person developing a system for publishing, I applaud you for this. Also, you get a thumbs up on StumbleUpon.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua BishopRoby</title>
		<link>http://kallistipress.com/2007-03-07/dear-roleplayers-please-get-over-yourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-19577</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua BishopRoby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neo, reread the post, man.  I&#039;m not saying roleplaying is irrelevant, or that roleplayers like something other than what I like.  I&#039;m saying roleplayers (and specifically, roleplayers that were posting online at the time) were obsessed with how geeky they appeared to others -- others who weren&#039;t preceiving them as geeky, or, indeed, anything worthy of note.  Why waste the breath?  I&#039;d much prefer actually talking about roleplaying and games, you know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, reread the post, man.  I&#8217;m not saying roleplaying is irrelevant, or that roleplayers like something other than what I like.  I&#8217;m saying roleplayers (and specifically, roleplayers that were posting online at the time) were obsessed with how geeky they appeared to others &#8212; others who weren&#8217;t preceiving them as geeky, or, indeed, anything worthy of note.  Why waste the breath?  I&#8217;d much prefer actually talking about roleplaying and games, you know?</p>
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		<title>By: Axion</title>
		<link>http://kallistipress.com/2007-03-07/dear-roleplayers-please-get-over-yourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-19214</link>
		<dc:creator>Axion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roleplaying (like, actually getting into it) is usually pretty taboo among main-stream gamers. There is definitely a definable hierarchy among nerds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roleplaying (like, actually getting into it) is usually pretty taboo among main-stream gamers. There is definitely a definable hierarchy among nerds.</p>
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		<title>By: Neosapience</title>
		<link>http://kallistipress.com/2007-03-07/dear-roleplayers-please-get-over-yourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-19185</link>
		<dc:creator>Neosapience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If role playing isn&#039;t such a big deal, then why did you write this article? 

FYI, role playing is not limited to &#039;geeky&#039; games. Actors (who I&#039;m sure make FAR more money than you do) role play for a living. Even my wife, who has about as much interest in games as you do, does some &#039;role playing&#039; of her own from time to time. Role playing is about having fun with your imagination and getting away from the drudgeries of the real world for a while. It, in itself is no different than quilting (as you mentioned) or any other hobby.

Geeks have a tenancy to seem arrogant when confronted by the average person, especially when it concerns something complex like role playing. This is simply because most of them know that the average person wouldn&#039;t understand or relate to what they&#039;re doing, let alone enjoy it. Geeks aren&#039;t trying to seem superior, they just don&#039;t like what you like.

Is that OK with you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If role playing isn&#8217;t such a big deal, then why did you write this article? </p>
<p>FYI, role playing is not limited to &#8216;geeky&#8217; games. Actors (who I&#8217;m sure make FAR more money than you do) role play for a living. Even my wife, who has about as much interest in games as you do, does some &#8216;role playing&#8217; of her own from time to time. Role playing is about having fun with your imagination and getting away from the drudgeries of the real world for a while. It, in itself is no different than quilting (as you mentioned) or any other hobby.</p>
<p>Geeks have a tenancy to seem arrogant when confronted by the average person, especially when it concerns something complex like role playing. This is simply because most of them know that the average person wouldn&#8217;t understand or relate to what they&#8217;re doing, let alone enjoy it. Geeks aren&#8217;t trying to seem superior, they just don&#8217;t like what you like.</p>
<p>Is that OK with you?</p>
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		<title>By: Jaka</title>
		<link>http://kallistipress.com/2007-03-07/dear-roleplayers-please-get-over-yourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-18587</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main reason that we have all those geekdom threads is that we, as roleplayers, generally love to argue. Heck, most games contain a good bit of debate. A topic that&#039;s controversial and sure to get a response? It&#039;s like a bug zapper - we just can&#039;t stay away.

Well said, sir. Allons-y!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main reason that we have all those geekdom threads is that we, as roleplayers, generally love to argue. Heck, most games contain a good bit of debate. A topic that&#8217;s controversial and sure to get a response? It&#8217;s like a bug zapper &#8211; we just can&#8217;t stay away.</p>
<p>Well said, sir. Allons-y!</p>
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		<title>By: Huitzilihuitl</title>
		<link>http://kallistipress.com/2007-03-07/dear-roleplayers-please-get-over-yourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-8730</link>
		<dc:creator>Huitzilihuitl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 02:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said. The gaming community I am part of in Canberra so obviously fit into what you have described here. Their narcissistic self-obsession often detracts from the fun of gaming or even hanging around with them. Many are so obsessed with self categorisation and their obvious school self that their gaming seems to have stagnated where it was when they were school age, along with their level of maturity. Unfortunate, as it makes finding people who are critically self aware difficult and, people willing to productively experiment with alternate game systems to DnD are the exception.

Joshua is right regarding the feigning polite interest amongst work colleagues though I have found a tinge of negativity and suspicion, I think born from unfamiliarity and historical views on roleplaying. But after some initial skepticism and views aired at work that roleplaying was weird many of my work colleagues have come to realise that it is just as social as having a few drinks with friends but adds a nice creative element. It only took polite pointing out that it was not as widely socially acceptable as getting drunk but far more socially responsible to shift the general opinion from negative to ambivalent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. The gaming community I am part of in Canberra so obviously fit into what you have described here. Their narcissistic self-obsession often detracts from the fun of gaming or even hanging around with them. Many are so obsessed with self categorisation and their obvious school self that their gaming seems to have stagnated where it was when they were school age, along with their level of maturity. Unfortunate, as it makes finding people who are critically self aware difficult and, people willing to productively experiment with alternate game systems to DnD are the exception.</p>
<p>Joshua is right regarding the feigning polite interest amongst work colleagues though I have found a tinge of negativity and suspicion, I think born from unfamiliarity and historical views on roleplaying. But after some initial skepticism and views aired at work that roleplaying was weird many of my work colleagues have come to realise that it is just as social as having a few drinks with friends but adds a nice creative element. It only took polite pointing out that it was not as widely socially acceptable as getting drunk but far more socially responsible to shift the general opinion from negative to ambivalent.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua A.C. Newman</title>
		<link>http://kallistipress.com/2007-03-07/dear-roleplayers-please-get-over-yourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-8463</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua A.C. Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 04:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hee hee hee!

OK, let&#039;s all discsuss discussing geekiness!

Then let&#039;s discuss that!

No, wait, let&#039;s do something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hee hee hee!</p>
<p>OK, let&#8217;s all discsuss discussing geekiness!</p>
<p>Then let&#8217;s discuss that!</p>
<p>No, wait, let&#8217;s do something else.</p>
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		<title>By: xenopulse</title>
		<link>http://kallistipress.com/2007-03-07/dear-roleplayers-please-get-over-yourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-8452</link>
		<dc:creator>xenopulse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 14:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua BishopRoby</title>
		<link>http://kallistipress.com/2007-03-07/dear-roleplayers-please-get-over-yourselves/comment-page-1/#comment-8367</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua BishopRoby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 02:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, I totally agree with you.  The thing is, said gamers are not in high school any more.

Moreover, I suspect that those same folks who ridiculed gaming when they were 14, if presented it by a colleague at work in a straightforward manner, would probably end up feigning polite interest -- and not mention that they mocked their schoolmates for it years ago.  If &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; can grow up, why can&#039;t gamers? =P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, I totally agree with you.  The thing is, said gamers are not in high school any more.</p>
<p>Moreover, I suspect that those same folks who ridiculed gaming when they were 14, if presented it by a colleague at work in a straightforward manner, would probably end up feigning polite interest &#8212; and not mention that they mocked their schoolmates for it years ago.  If <em>they</em> can grow up, why can&#8217;t gamers? =P</p>
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